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CW 5x08 & 5x09 episode discussion



11/18/12, Sarah:
I think we have a thread already for this but I couldn't find it? I dk. Anyway, I don't have that many notes for this ep, but I enjoyed it nonetheless. It suffers a little from being the third parter of a four-part arc but other than that...

5.08 Bound for Rescue
- Obi-Wan in Teacher Mode re: The Younglings talking about saving Ahoska
- I almost didn’t catch this: “Hondo would be even more of a fool than I think he is to hurt her.” SASS MASTER.
- I love the Wookie’s lightsaber!
- “If you don’t let me go, you’ll wish you had been born a protocol droid.” “Sometimes I do anyway.” Lolwhut.
- ERMAHGERD. Unexpected Space battle!
- Lol Grevious. He’s still relevant?
- Wtf carnival?
- “I learned from my Master that doing the right thing sometimes means bending the rules.”
- This episode certainly went to unexpected places (both a space battle and a weird space carnival?) but I enjoyed it


11/19/12, Morgan:
I had sort of mushed it onto the Onderon email. 5x08 certainly isn’t a bad episode, but yeah, it suffers from being a middle piece and I guess I was just expecting something more intense? After 5x07, certainly. And then I know I was probably reading too much into it and there’s no way CW would have done anything with it, but like, I kept thinking Ahsoka’s situation was creepy as hell and it was like “BE DISTRACTED BY CARNIVAL.”

- I felt like Obi-Wan was disturbingly nonchalant this episode? Again, I was just reading too much into Ahsoka’s situation, but I was like “are you a little bit concerned Obi-Wan?” I also love how the Star Destroyer is conveniently wired for self-destruct, because there’s no way they could have rigged that up that quickly.
- “If you don’t let me go, you’ll wish you had been born a protocol droid.” “Sometimes I do anyway.” Killed me.
- The space battle was so awesome, even with “lol Grevious why do you even go here anymore?” Legit question because I forgot – is he in AotC at all? I remember that mostly being Dooku’s movie because Christopher Lee needs to be the villain in the second movie and then quickly shuffled off in the third, but I don’t remember Grevious at all? Other than sassy Obi-Wan fighting him in RotS.
- The carnival was so strange, but also effective? Good thinking, Carlos?
- “I learned from my Master that doing the right thing sometimes means bending the rules.” Cryin about it.
- And then it ended sooooo abruptly. I mean, it’ll get concluded, but it was building up steam, and I was just really starting to get into it and then it’s like “jk credits.”

To next week!

- Morgan


11/19/12, Hayley:
The thread of this arc was kind of tacked on at the end of the Onderon arc.

I don't think it was because it's the third part of a 4-part act. We just had another one of those in the Onderon arc that is a clear example that the third episode doesn't have to be weak. I think it suffers because they were trying to jive things together that didn't really work: a kid-friendly rescue plan, Ahsoka being captured with Hondo being really drunk at the time, and Obi-Wan engaging Grievous in battle once again.

(Guys, for once I was saying, "it's a children's show" in my head not out of shock of what horrific thing they were doing, but out of needing to remind myself that sometimes the show is just ridiculous.)

I don't think the two major plot threads really tied together very well either, making the rescue mission and the space battle feel like completely separate episodes. Obi-Wan might as well not have interacted with the younglings at all. Neither plot thread had any effect on the other.

It irked me that Hondo went from completely competent in one episode to a total dupe the next. That could be attributed to how drunk he was in this episode because everything h did was just crossing into very awkward territory, especially in regard to some of the stuff he said to Ahsoka, which is why they needed the weird circus counterbalance (even though they've totally crossed into more dangerous territory before without something to counter act it). He did deliver my favorite line, this episode, though:
“If you don’t let me go, you’ll wish you had been born a protocol droid.” “Sometimes I do anyway.” Lolwhut.
This was definitely his star line this episode. I nearly choked from laughing so hard and then I had to go tell everybody, who didn't think it was nearly as funny as I did, but now I going around saying, "Sometimes I wish I was a protocol droid!"

Obi-Wan needs a proper shakedown after the stunt he pulled on Grievous. I get it, Grievous can't die until RotS, but for fuck's sake don't make O-W look like a complete moron. Seriously, who leaves a message informing their ship's captor that the ship is about to self-destruct? Does O-W have that much hubris that he thought Grievous wouldn't hightail it off that ship as fast as he could one he learned it was going to explode? A perfectly good opportunity missed all because O-W decided to leave a note.

“I learned from my Master that doing the right thing sometimes means bending the rules.”
Oh Ahsoka, applying what you know and passing it on! There's a very key word in that sentence that must be payed attention to, "sometimes." If you don't pay attention to that word, you'll end up bending all the rules, all the time and that's not effective. I don't really remember, did Ahsoka stress the word "sometimes"? Because I feel very strongly about how important that word is to the lesson she's imparting on the younglings.

All that being said I did enjoy the episode, I just think it's been the weakest link this season.


11/19/12, Sarah:
- I was a little more disturbed by Obi-Wan being all "well, I guess the younglings are on their own now." Couldn't you alert another Jedi ship that there are a bunch of younglings floating around in space with a damaged ship and no chaperone?

LOL GREVIOUS. Grevious not in AotC at all. One of the few things I remember about RotS is remembering how ridiculous the four-lightsaber reveal was.

The carnival was so strange, but also effective? Good thinking, Carlos? Is that the kid's name??? Dying.


11/19/12, Sarah:
I don't think the two major plot threads really tied together very well either, making the rescue mission and the space battle feel like completely separate episodes. Obi-Wan might as well not have interacted with the younglings at all. Neither plot thread had any effect on the other. Obi-Wan getting side-tracked and not being able to come a pick them up spurred their rescue efforts, but I get where your coming from. The Obi-Wan storyline could have been eliminated entirely (when they sent out the distress signal, just have no one in range, then they're completely on their own and decide to rescue Ahsoka anyway).

Seriously, who leaves a message informing their ship's captor that the ship is about to self-destruct? Does O-W have that much hubris that he thought Grievous wouldn't hightail it off that ship as fast as he could one he learned it was going to explode? DYING. I dk, I don't know why I didn't think of this. GAWD OBI-WAN.

I don't really remember, did Ahsoka stress the word "sometimes"? Because I feel very strongly about how important that word is to the lesson she's imparting on the younglings. I think she must have but I'm not sure if what I put down is an exact quote.


11/19/12, Morgan:
Yeah, now that you mention it, it is sort of weird to jump from Hondo being a legitimately terrifying threat to a drunken buffoon. I know we were talking about the mood whiplash from him being an ally of sorts to an enemy, but there’s still something about that change that fundamentally worked. In the Onderon arc, he still had power and authority that he could exercise, where in the most recently episode, he could be tipped over with a finger. I guess the moral we’re trying to teach kids is “don’t get drunk, or whomever you’re holding hostage will escape?” (A moral the Mirkwood elves could have used, oof.)

A perfectly good opportunity missed all because O-W decided to leave a note.
Dead. I am dead. But you always leave a note!

And I just call him Carlos because I look at him and see Carlos from Magic School Bus. (Except he obviously has Wanda’s personality. “Come on you weasley wimps!”)

- Morgan

11/24/12, Morgan:
Spike was running a Band of Brothers marathon yesterday that Hayley and I were watching and that was the channel we left it on when we turned the tv off. This morning when we turned on the tv to watch Clone Wars, what’s on but Phantom Menace. ~fate

I’m dubbing this the week of being annoyed at Obi-Wan, partially for not making more of an effort to help (not that Ahsoka and the bbs needed it in the end), but also cutting David off when he was going to tell us Yoda stories. Serious business.

I liked the continuity of Dooku wanting revenge for the capture way back in season one. Hondo’s piratey flip-flopping nature also seemed really natural too? True pirate self-serving etc etc. Ahsoka continuing to be the best/fave/etc.

Only two more eps for the year.

- Morgan


11/25/12, Sarah:
5.09 A Necessary Bond
- LOVED the scene where Ahsoka persuaded the pirates they needed to work together to avoid being killed. The close-up shots were pretty excellent too.
- MORGAN. THE DROID. "You just watch yourself." JUST GUESS WHAT I THOUGHT OF.
- Hu Ang "It is the force, etc, etc" Hondo: "Yes, I was just going to say that!" Lulz.
- Hondo’s piratey flip-flopping nature also seemed really natural too? Yep, yep. His whole character is based off changeability, and it totally works.
- Grevious: "What?! What Jedi?" Droid: "The little ones. Half the size of normal Jedi!" BEST. The third time I literally laughed out loud.
- It may have just been the music, but the scene where Ahsoka, younglings, pirates run out and attack the droids was fucking bad ass
- Mini Adi Gallia: "I've got your back." Hondo: "Great. I feel so safe." FOURTH TIME.
- And the end scene with Obi-Wan and Hondo. Dying. "I am gone! I will send you my bill."
- Though why did OBW shut down the story about Yoda???? Is this something we will get to see in the future? Why even mention it otherwise.

I liked this episode. I liked it a lot.


11/26/12, Hayley:
This episode definitely picked up the slack from the last one. It brought together the two plots and delivered an exciting, fulfilling chapter to this arc. I can’t figure out whether the ending was meant to be left open for another episode in this arc or not. Probably not, but they probably could have squeezed another one out of it if they wanted to.

The recapture of Ahsoka and the younglings at the start seemed like it made the previous episode kind of pointless. “It’s okay to bend the rules when things turn out right… oh wait, we’ve been captured, it was stupid of you to come here and endanger yourselves.” But whatever, it’s not a big problem, just a little thing that irked me.

I’m in total agreement that Hondo flipping back and forth totally works for his character. THIS is what pirates do! They don’t have morals; they’re unscrupulous. They’ll do what benefits them. Yes, sometimes they can be talked into doing the right thing, to satisfy and flatter their egos that they can do something moral and good. But overall, nah. It’s too much fun doing exactly what they want. (Can you tell I have a lot of feels about pirates?) The one thing that did irk me about Hondo this episode was: HOW DID HE SOBER UP SO QUICKLY?

Ahsoka is forever queen. I don’t think I need to elaborate much more on this. I really like seeing her duel Grievous again because you can really see how much she’s improved. Her technique is more refined and her focus is much better. The first time she was out to prove herself, to herself and to Anakin; here she knows she doesn’t need to prove it; it’s about protecting the younglings. There was definitely a moment where she considered leaving her post and attempting to finish the job, but she did the right thing by staying with her objective. There was a time where she would have kept fighting, instead of retreating; she’s just grown up so much! *happy sniffles of pride*

Mini!Adi was really awesome this episode. I was seriously uncomfortable when she was alone with the pirates, because SERIOUSLY? They just tried getting away with selling Ahsoka, why would they have any scruples with selling her? But she did a good job appealing to the “hero” side of Hondo.

I don’t do this lightly, but I have to temporarily revoke O-W’s #sassmaster status. HOLY SHIT, MAN! WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT TO US? YOU CAN’T TEASE US WITH YODA BACKSTORY LIKE THAT! YOU JUST CAN’T! It’s the first 10 minutes of LoK all over again! WHY IKKI? WHY? WHY WOULD YOU COCKBLOCK US LIKE THAT?
http://robotnymph42.tumblr.com/post/20581257870
Of course, once they finally give us more O-W centric episodes I will give him his title back, but for now no. Just no. WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?

- Hayley

11/26/12, Morgan:
The best thing I caught in my rewatch last night was that the bb wookie chews on his handcuffs at the beginning of the ep. Dead. I am dead.

MORGAN. THE DROID. "You just watch yourself." JUST GUESS WHAT I THOUGHT OF.
o m f g, the radio play is the gift that never, ever stops giving.

It may have just been the music, but the scene where Ahsoka, younglings, pirates run out and attack the droids was fucking bad ass
Uh, because pretty much everything about this episode is badass?

And the end scene with Obi-Wan and Hondo. Dying. "I am gone! I will send you my bill."
Seriously, what a great way to end a solid episode.

Not that I’m not loving all this Ahsoka-centric badassery, but Obi-Wan and Anakin have been ~elusive this season so far, haven’t they? And I’m guessing because there’s only two episodes left before the mid-season break, we’re going to get a couple one-offs? Unless they plan on breaking up an arc over December and January.

Show, tho. Rewatching the prequels has made me appreciate CW so much more. There might be the odd continuity snarl, but wow are the characters better written and there’s ~acting going on.

- Morgan

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